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<v Sarah>Two Americans out of Iran in 48 hours

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<v Sarah>talks the White House says are still live

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<v Sarah>and a Pentagon review into a school strike

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<v Sarah>begun in March — and still not public.

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<v Sarah>If you're just joining us: the U.S.-Iran channel has stayed open even as the strikes kept landing.

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<v Sarah>Trump said a deal had nearly been reached

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<v Sarah>Iran pushed for more talks

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<v Sarah>and technical negotiations kept running — all of it tangled up with tit-for-tat strikes and fights over Hormuz and oil exports.

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<v Sarah>Diplomacy is alive, but it's leashed to the pressure at sea and in the air.

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<v Rich>This is Iran War Daily.

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<v Rich>A hostage on a plane, a press secretary reading 'devastating blows' off a card, and a finished investigation nobody will release.

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<v Rich>Let's start with who's talking to whom.

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